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I had no other choice!

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The more I add to the site and the more I try to make it accurate, I'm sometimes forced to do things that are untidy simply because taxonomy is very untidy!

Here is the latest example:

http://www.cactiguide.com/cactus/?genus=Notocactus

We also have:
http://www.cactiguide.com/cactus/?genus=Sulcorebutia

and

http://www.cactiguide.com/cactus/?genus=Ancistrocactus
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Post by iann »

How is this working? I can see that it is useful to have pictures filed under names like these, but shouldn't they appear under their lumped names in the default TCF taxonomy?

Doesn't The Cactus Family list Parodia roeolutea? I guess not. I always thought it did.
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Re: I had no other choice!

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daiv wrote:The more I add to the site and the more I try to make it accurate, I'm sometimes forced to do things that are untidy simply because taxonomy is very untidy!
i would say a nightmare rather than untidy :shock: desert tropicals lists 68 taxa for Rebutia which includes weingartia and sulcorebutia......... i currently have about 100 just rebutia without the others :shock: :shock:

i sometimes get the feeling that they just dumped everything the couldn't bother to look at under Rebutia neocumingii

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Rebutia neocumingii
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Rebutia neocumingii
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Post by daiv »

iann wrote:How is this working? I can see that it is useful to have pictures filed under names like these, but shouldn't they appear under their lumped names in the default TCF taxonomy?

Doesn't The Cactus Family list Parodia roeolutea? I guess not. I always thought it did.
Ian,
Absolutely, it is listed as such in Anderson's TCF. And that change is reflected here:

http://www.cactiguide.com/taxonomy_comp ... e_key=2372

Did you not notice this feature? There is a link on each page showing alternate taxonomies. Here is where you find the link:

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Currently only two systems are listed, but more on the way.

Default CactiGuide.com taxonomy hasn't been TCF for well over a year now.

As this page illustrates, it varies by more than 10% from TCF:
http://www.cactiguide.com/compare_publications/

But in case others have read this page in the past and not recently, much has changed especially starting in the 3rd paragraph down:

http://www.cactiguide.com/nomenclature/
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Post by daiv »

Oh, I should clarify - I follow Anderson's TCF system whenever I can which is why it varies by 11% while the NCL is over 30% different.

As time goes on, the gap will only widen, however. Backeberg is going to wreak havoc on my sanity, but I'm determined to get through it!
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Post by Shmuel »

Not that I really know what is going on in this thread, but I thought it definitely amusing that the first photo Hob brought as Rebutia neocumingii has a label that says Weingartia lanata!!! :roll:

I really admire the rigorous taxonomic data here, even though it is really not something that I can enjoy the fine points of...

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