What makes crested/monstrose cacti?

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What makes crested/monstrose cacti?

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Looking around, I've seen talks about cresting being a genetic defect. And while that is probably the case, I'm not sure that's the whole truth.

About two years ago I germinated a bunch of Cleistocactus buchtienii seeds. Once they got to pinky nail size, I separated them out into some spare recycled takeaway containers and put them outside. Except, I must have used different potting mixture for one tray, as they seemed to keep dehydrating.

After several died, I eventually determined that for the very small tray, the mixture was simply too free draining and the seedlings in that tray couldn't absorb the water fast enough before it fried out. The three surviving seedlings looked quite rough and I did not expect them to survive. But they did, and soon they started to grow monstrose/crested.

I guess it's possible that just by luck I that the three survivors were genetically monstrose/crested, but it seems more likely that their experience did some sort of harm to them.

I had thought that maybe it would revert, but 18 months later, they're still growing monstrose/crested (though slowly, it took some time for them to recover). I'm curious as to people's thoughts. I had a few other species in the same mixture and bounce back after repotting, but none crested.

Here is one of them:

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Here are some non-crested seedlings from the same pack of seeds:

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Re: What makes crested/monstrose cacti?

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Fasciation (note not fascination = no "N") meaning cristates and monstrous plants is caused by an upset in the cells at the growing points. With monstrose cacti there are obviously latent growing points at every areole which is why we get offsetting, but in monstoose cacti they are triggered at virtually every areole.

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https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/plants_wi ... fasciation

https://gardendrum.com/2017/01/08/crazy ... asciation/

It can even occur in the flowers themselves. This is a conjoined Soehrensia flower, note the two styles and stigma lobes. However all subsequent flowers have been normal

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I've heard that fasciation can be the result of hormone inbalance, or a random genetic mutation. For some reason, this one Aeonium haworthii flowerstalk produce multiple fasciated flowers. The flowers had a hard time opening (guessing that is because of the odd flower shape) so I didn't take a picture when they were fully open.
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I had an Orbea variegata that developed fasciation, with a wide, flattened stem. Unfortunately, it's one of the plants I lost while I was ill, and I never got to see if the fasciated part would produce fasciated flowers.
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From what I understand the cause of fasciation or monstrose growth is the disruption of meristematic cells, but what causes the disruption in the first place is not well understood. Infection by bacteria, viruses, phytoplasmas, etc.; mechanical damage (i.e. insects), chemical damage (insecticides, herbicides), environmental damage (freezing); hormonal imbalances and/or genetic mutations and even random somatic mutations have all been implicated.
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Teratopia goes a bit more indepth in the subject however they also explain like MRXeric states exact cause not known... You can obtain it thru crossing as has been shown with Nitrogen trichocereus crosses with TPM and TPQC. Many have tried various methods to get crested growth since they fetch a higher price.

You can induce 'crested' growth however it can revert.
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I do not know the exact reason but you can make crested/monstrose cacti by grafting.
Obregonia is hard to turn a crested form with own-rooted cactus but it is possible to make by grafting.

The photo is my degrafted Astrophytum myriostigma cv khoyo. Myriostigma is also hard to turn to crested/monstrose with own-roots.
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There are quite many cases grafted plants have possibility of unnatural growth.
I was wondering for a while whether for grafted plants, especially the scion grafted when very young, might be possible to be affected/influenced by some kind of chemicals/growth hormones (like Auxin and Cytokinin) of the rootstock. Surely the rootstock not just transfer nutrients/water to the scion, some other chemicals also transferred which sent signals to the scion encouraging/telling the scion's plant cells how/when to grow? Some rootstock might contained stronger chemicals that affected the scion's growth hormones more than others?
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Here are my crested Obregonia seedlings. They were bacterial infected during grafting on Pereskopsis and it caused the fasciation.
These two pics are same grafted seedling.
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And these pics are another crested/polytomy grafted seedling
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