Thank you very much Hanazono for the detailed explanation, I really appreciate it.Hanazono wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:21 am G'morning Mrs. Green,
The original source of my khoyo is just one but I bought 40 seeds and sowed in 2004. Since I bought seeds, I am not sure any mixing of seeds.these are the same as this one, ( I am not referring to the shape of the plant but the colour here.)? It is the pale green colour with just a hint of red, that I find so attractive. The ones pictured in your answer to me, are darker green and the red colour much more dominant. The pale green colour with just a hint of red( almost like it’s blushing) is it just a variaton of the khoyo?
The body colour of khoyo comes from following 3 factors.
1. Age of cactus
2. Seasons
3. Individual character
1. Only young plants can turn the body colour.
Old plannts turn the body colour partially or do not turn the body colour at all.
2. Khoyo start to turn the body colour in autumn and continue to spring. It will return to green completely in summer.
3. There are various khoyo colours such as yellow, orange, red and chocolate.
Normal body colour is also various, pale green to dark green.
The cactus photo attached on your post is:
A young myriostigma cv khoyo
The season is autumn, just starting to turn the body colour
Khoyo is red.
The original body colour is pale green.
Khoyo character also exists on Ariocarpus, Gymnocalycium and Mammillaria.
Frank
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The attached photo is an Astrophytum asterias cv hanazono kabuto. I bought 20 seeds and sowed in 2005.
Seedlings and young plants of hanazono kabuto are same as normal asterias except grafted. You can only see the character of hanazono when the cactus reached to a mature age.
I grafted several seedlings to confirm the character earlier. 4 grafted/degrafted cacti have also survived.
The hanazono kabuto on photo has never been grafted, 16 cm in diameter.
Seedlings and young plants of hanazono kabuto are same as normal asterias except grafted. You can only see the character of hanazono when the cactus reached to a mature age.
I grafted several seedlings to confirm the character earlier. 4 grafted/degrafted cacti have also survived.
The hanazono kabuto on photo has never been grafted, 16 cm in diameter.
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Some asterias turn the body shape when they reached to an old age.
The photo is a normal asterias sown seed in 2003. It was a normal asterias with 8 ribs but it turned to 13 ribs.
The current size is 17 cm in diameter.
The photo is a normal asterias sown seed in 2003. It was a normal asterias with 8 ribs but it turned to 13 ribs.
The current size is 17 cm in diameter.
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Good morning, Frank!
Beautiful specimen as always.
It's huge for an A. asterias. Looks like it still growing bigger, with another new rib forming at the top.
Beautiful specimen as always.
It's huge for an A. asterias. Looks like it still growing bigger, with another new rib forming at the top.
Bryan
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G'morning Bryan,
It seems I can not get my target.
Frank
My target is 20 cm in diameter per 20 years. The asterias on the photo is 17 cm in diameter per 19 years.Looks like it still growing bigger, with another new rib forming at the top.
It seems I can not get my target.
Frank
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A Japanese cactus nurseryman found one abnormal asterias in imported asterias from USA in 1980s.
It had thicker flecking than normal asterias and the body was starfish shape.
He crossed with various forms of asterias but he could not pick up the special character in 1st filial asterias.
He gave 1st filial asterias to three expart of asterias growers. They crossed with also various asterias forms and picked up the special character.
Although it could not see the character in 1st filial, they could see the character in following activities.
The asterias was named miracle kabuto from the above reason.
The gene of miracle kabuto is not positive.
I sowed 80 seeds in 2003. I could not see any miracle kabutos.
30 seeds were sown also in 2004. I coud see just one asterias shown the character of miracle kabuto which one was grafted to get early seed harvesting.
Photo 1 is seedlings of miracle kabut during I was developing by myself.
The photo was taken in 2010.
Photo 2 is one of photo 1, a miracle kabuto showing the character clearly. White dot lines connecting areoles is the evidence of miracle kabuto.
Photo 3 is current appearence of photo 2 which is flecking mutation is completed, 15 cm in diameter.
Photo 4 is the largest miracle kabuto in my place, 19 cm in diameter.
It had thicker flecking than normal asterias and the body was starfish shape.
He crossed with various forms of asterias but he could not pick up the special character in 1st filial asterias.
He gave 1st filial asterias to three expart of asterias growers. They crossed with also various asterias forms and picked up the special character.
Although it could not see the character in 1st filial, they could see the character in following activities.
The asterias was named miracle kabuto from the above reason.
The gene of miracle kabuto is not positive.
I sowed 80 seeds in 2003. I could not see any miracle kabutos.
30 seeds were sown also in 2004. I coud see just one asterias shown the character of miracle kabuto which one was grafted to get early seed harvesting.
Photo 1 is seedlings of miracle kabut during I was developing by myself.
The photo was taken in 2010.
Photo 2 is one of photo 1, a miracle kabuto showing the character clearly. White dot lines connecting areoles is the evidence of miracle kabuto.
Photo 3 is current appearence of photo 2 which is flecking mutation is completed, 15 cm in diameter.
Photo 4 is the largest miracle kabuto in my place, 19 cm in diameter.
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Great story and images!Hanazono wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:49 am A Japanese cactus nurseryman found one abnormal asterias in imported asterias from USA in 1980s.
It had thicker flecking than normal asterias and the body was starfish shape.
He crossed with various forms of asterias but he could not pick up the special character in 1st filial asterias.
He gave 1st filial asterias to three expart of asterias growers. They crossed with also various asterias forms and picked up the special character.
Although it could not see the character in 1st filial, they could see the character in following activities.
The asterias was named miracle kabuto from the above reason.
The gene of miracle kabuto is not positive.
I sowed 80 seeds in 2003. I could not see any miracle kabutos.
30 seeds were sown also in 2004. I coud see just one asterias shown the character of miracle kabuto which one was grafted to get early seed harvesting.
Photo 1 is seedlings of miracle kabut during I was developing by myself.
The photo was taken in 2010.
Photo 2 is one of photo 1, a miracle kabuto showing the character clearly. White dot lines connecting areoles is the evidence of miracle kabuto.
Photo 3 is current appearence of photo 2 which is flecking mutation is completed, 15 cm in diameter.
Photo 4 is the largest miracle kabuto in my place, 19 cm in diameter.
Re: Hana's cacti
G'morning Tom,
Thank you very much for your comment.
Frank
Thank you very much for your comment.
Frank
Re: Hana's cacti
I bought and sowed seeds of Astrophytum myriostigma cv Shimairi Onzuka in 2003.
The germination rate was not too bad but just some of them showed the character of Onzuka.
I collected seeds by myself later. Although both parents were Onzuka, just 30% of seedlings showed the character of Onzuka.
Photo 1: Propagated from seed which was harvested by myself
Photo 2: Propagated from seed which was harvested by myself
Photo 3: Sown seed in 2003, just one has survived, 17 cm in diameter and 29 cm tall
The germination rate was not too bad but just some of them showed the character of Onzuka.
I collected seeds by myself later. Although both parents were Onzuka, just 30% of seedlings showed the character of Onzuka.
Photo 1: Propagated from seed which was harvested by myself
Photo 2: Propagated from seed which was harvested by myself
Photo 3: Sown seed in 2003, just one has survived, 17 cm in diameter and 29 cm tall
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I knew the existing of cultivar fukuryu but it was hard to get seeds in here.
My friend gave me some seeds and I sowed in 2012. I was not sure where he got these seeds but I did not ask.
The cultivar fukuryu has multiple bumps on the body. Astrohyutum has 3 fukuryu cultivars.
1. Fukuryu ranpo ( myriostigma with fukuryu)
2. Fukuryu banjyaku ( ornatum x myriostigms with fukuryu)
3. Fukuryu hannya ( ornatum with fukuryu)
Photo 1. Fukuryu ranpo
Photo 2: Fukuryu banjyaku
Photo 3: Fukuryu hannya
Photo 4: Fukuryu banjyaku will form many off-sets when it was grafted.
Rooting of off-set is very easy because the cactus is mixed ornatum gene.
The photo is rooted off-sets.
Photo 5: Seedlings of fukuryu banjyaku
Around 20% of seedlings show the character of fukuryu in my place.
My friend gave me some seeds and I sowed in 2012. I was not sure where he got these seeds but I did not ask.
The cultivar fukuryu has multiple bumps on the body. Astrohyutum has 3 fukuryu cultivars.
1. Fukuryu ranpo ( myriostigma with fukuryu)
2. Fukuryu banjyaku ( ornatum x myriostigms with fukuryu)
3. Fukuryu hannya ( ornatum with fukuryu)
Photo 1. Fukuryu ranpo
Photo 2: Fukuryu banjyaku
Photo 3: Fukuryu hannya
Photo 4: Fukuryu banjyaku will form many off-sets when it was grafted.
Rooting of off-set is very easy because the cactus is mixed ornatum gene.
The photo is rooted off-sets.
Photo 5: Seedlings of fukuryu banjyaku
Around 20% of seedlings show the character of fukuryu in my place.
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Hanazono wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:35 am I knew the existing of cultivar fukuryu but it was hard to get seeds in here.
My friend gave me some seeds and I sowed in 2012. I was not sure where he got these seeds but I did not ask.
The cultivar fukuryu has multiple bumps on the body. Astrohyutum has 3 fukuryu cultivars.
1. Fukuryu ranpo ( myriostigma with fukuryu)
2. Fukuryu banjyaku ( ornatum x myriostigms with fukuryu)
3. Fukuryu hannya ( ornatum with fukuryu)
Photo 1. Fukuryu ranpo
Photo 2: Fukuryu banjyaku
Photo 3: Fukuryu hannya
Photo 4: Fukuryu banjyaku will form many off-sets when it was grafted.
Rooting of off-set is very easy because the cactus is mixed ornatum gene.
The photo is rooted off-sets.
Photo 5: Seedlings of fukuryu banjyaku
Around 20% of seedlings show the character of fukuryu in my place.
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I cutback Pereskiopsis branches yesterday. I cutback every year in winter.
Since I use new off-shoots as grafting stocks, this job is essential. I can use new shoots in October.
48 stocks are normally kept but I lost 6 of them in this winter. I will degraft in September and I can add 6 at that time.
The photo is 42 Pereskiopsis after the cutback.
Since I use new off-shoots as grafting stocks, this job is essential. I can use new shoots in October.
48 stocks are normally kept but I lost 6 of them in this winter. I will degraft in September and I can add 6 at that time.
The photo is 42 Pereskiopsis after the cutback.
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It was very hot and dry last summer in here and all weeds died as the result, my backyard was bare.
We had good rain in May and June, more than a normal year. Now weeds have come back.
The photo is 3 Ferocactus species set in my backyard.
One is F. chrysacanthus v rubrispinus and other two were propagated from Ferocactus mix seeds. I do not know names of these two.
We had good rain in May and June, more than a normal year. Now weeds have come back.
The photo is 3 Ferocactus species set in my backyard.
One is F. chrysacanthus v rubrispinus and other two were propagated from Ferocactus mix seeds. I do not know names of these two.
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I think they are Ferocactus wislizeni or Ferocactus herrerae, depends on the flower.
They are almost flowering size.
They are almost flowering size.
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G'morning Bryan,
Thanks for your comment.
Frank
Thanks for your comment.
I have not seen these flowers yet. I hope I could see soon.I think they are Ferocactus wislizeni or Ferocactus herrerae, depends on the flower.
They are almost flowering size.
Frank