Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
Dear members,
Thank you for allowing me to part of this forum.
Could you help me identify this plant. It belongs to a friend in Australia who does not remember where her cutting came from years ago. Not only the flowers are beautiful but the fruit are edible. I hope to know what it is so that I could search for my collection.
Many thanks and best wishes.
Thanh
Thank you for allowing me to part of this forum.
Could you help me identify this plant. It belongs to a friend in Australia who does not remember where her cutting came from years ago. Not only the flowers are beautiful but the fruit are edible. I hope to know what it is so that I could search for my collection.
Many thanks and best wishes.
Thanh
Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
Good evening Thanh,
welcome to the CactiGuide forum!
When I look at the fruits, I am very sure - it is a Epiphyllum.
But what kind I can not say. . .
Best wishes
K.W.
welcome to the CactiGuide forum!
When I look at the fruits, I am very sure - it is a Epiphyllum.
But what kind I can not say. . .
Best wishes
K.W.
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Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
Looks like Epiphyllum, but also looks like a hybrid - meaning who knows what is in the mix. It may have some of Hylocereus in it as well.
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Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
There are more than ten thousand Epiphylum hybrids, trying to figure out which one you have can be extremely difficult. That's a fantastic plant, really impressive display of flowers.
Spence
Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
May even be a Disophyllum, a cross between a Disocactus and supposedly an Epiphyllum.
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_q ... +0506+1132" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hardly any of the so called "Epiphyllum hybrids" contain any Epiphyllum blood in them, but are originally crosses between Disocactus and Heliocereus. I suppose they get the Epiphyllum part from the fact that Disocacti were once called Epiphyllum's.
http://www.cristoalmeria.com/epifitos20 ... /index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Any "Epiphyllum" with angled rather than flat stems is usually a hybrid with Heliocereus:-
http://www.cristoalmeria.com/epifitos20 ... /index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The true Epiphyllums have white usually nocturnal flowers with mostly long tubes and were seldom used for crosses as they are usually less robust than Disocactus or Heliocereus so more difficult to grow.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... rofile.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_q ... +0506+1132" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hardly any of the so called "Epiphyllum hybrids" contain any Epiphyllum blood in them, but are originally crosses between Disocactus and Heliocereus. I suppose they get the Epiphyllum part from the fact that Disocacti were once called Epiphyllum's.
http://www.cristoalmeria.com/epifitos20 ... /index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Any "Epiphyllum" with angled rather than flat stems is usually a hybrid with Heliocereus:-
http://www.cristoalmeria.com/epifitos20 ... /index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The true Epiphyllums have white usually nocturnal flowers with mostly long tubes and were seldom used for crosses as they are usually less robust than Disocactus or Heliocereus so more difficult to grow.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... rofile.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
Thank you all so much for your comments. This will help me widen my search. I also learn something new, a whole class of Disophyllum.
Best wishes,
Thanh
Best wishes,
Thanh
Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
Hello thanhnle,
GreenKnight is quite correct with the impossible task of identifying an unnamed hybrid, however your friend has a distinct advantage being in Australia as this will severely reduce the possibilities due to the very strict import laws of the country.
GreenKnight is quite correct with the impossible task of identifying an unnamed hybrid, however your friend has a distinct advantage being in Australia as this will severely reduce the possibilities due to the very strict import laws of the country.
Carl Bullock - Sunny (mostly) Isle of Wight
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Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
That doesn't really help though, as there's growers here downunder actively making these kinds of hybrids from already local stock. I could head out to my local hardware store and pick up several "named" Epi hybrids.
Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
Thank you for your comments. I have come to realize that Down Under is one place to be if you are obsessed about all sorts of beautiful plants.
Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
Unfortunately so called Epiphyllum hybrids are rather like roses. Far too many names for plants that have similar flowers and were not worth naming as something new. Though one has to say at least the rose growers will raise several thousand seedlings before picking out one to name and then destroy all the rest. I often get the impression the Epiphyllum hybridisers want to give a different name to every seedling they raise, whether worthy of one or not.
If you click on the pictures in this "Red Epiphyllum" link you will find often two flowers that look little different but have received different names, plus many are not that different from the old "ackermannii hybrid":-
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=red+e ... DMs#imgrc=_" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I wonder how many raisers of hybrid Epiphyllum's follow these recommendations. Many Epiphyllum namers do not realise that just as with species there is an International Code for naming cultivated plants, unfortunately the incorrectly named ones do not get reduced to synonymy like species:-
http://www.hortax.org.uk/rules-of-naming.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.epiphyllums.org/Guidelines" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ishs.org/sci/icraname.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I wonder just how many so called Epiphyllum hybrids on sale follow the international rules for cultivars and have been correctly published, let alone registered? I doubt many professional nurserymen realise there is an International Code for cultivated plants, let alone amateurs producing their own hybrids and naming them.
If you click on the pictures in this "Red Epiphyllum" link you will find often two flowers that look little different but have received different names, plus many are not that different from the old "ackermannii hybrid":-
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=red+e ... DMs#imgrc=_" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I wonder how many raisers of hybrid Epiphyllum's follow these recommendations. Many Epiphyllum namers do not realise that just as with species there is an International Code for naming cultivated plants, unfortunately the incorrectly named ones do not get reduced to synonymy like species:-
http://www.hortax.org.uk/rules-of-naming.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.epiphyllums.org/Guidelines" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ishs.org/sci/icraname.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I wonder just how many so called Epiphyllum hybrids on sale follow the international rules for cultivars and have been correctly published, let alone registered? I doubt many professional nurserymen realise there is an International Code for cultivated plants, let alone amateurs producing their own hybrids and naming them.
Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
Well over 12,000 actually Dave the Epiphyllum Society of America is the official registration authority and they publish a registry of hybrids. there are some nurseryman who will name everything that they hybridise, their is a very prominent one in the Netherlands who is the sole reason for the society now charging to registerDaveW wrote: I wonder just how many so called Epiphyllum hybrids on sale follow the international rules for cultivars and have been correctly published, let alone registered? I doubt many professional nurserymen realise there is an International Code for cultivated plants, let alone amateurs producing their own hybrids and naming them.
Carl Bullock - Sunny (mostly) Isle of Wight
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Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?
How many of the 12,000 are really that different Carl, not to mention the unregistered ones? The same applies to roses, new ones being described every year of which about 40% sink into obscurity within a few years.
Mind you the same applies to botanical species which go in fads with many collectors. When first described nurserymen grow and propagate them but drop them from their catalogues if something newer more in demand and saleable is discovered, only a few old favourite and desirable species still being listed.
It is clamed there are around 2000 botanical species of cactus if you are a "lumper" and possibly up to 6000 if you are an "ultra-splitter", so 12,000 worthwhile or distinct Epiphyllum hybrids is way over the top for believability.
Mind you the same applies to botanical species which go in fads with many collectors. When first described nurserymen grow and propagate them but drop them from their catalogues if something newer more in demand and saleable is discovered, only a few old favourite and desirable species still being listed.
It is clamed there are around 2000 botanical species of cactus if you are a "lumper" and possibly up to 6000 if you are an "ultra-splitter", so 12,000 worthwhile or distinct Epiphyllum hybrids is way over the top for believability.