Aeonium2003's random pics.

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Aeonium2003 wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:30 pm Aeonium Mardi gras. This plant is patented so it is technically illegal to propagate it without a license. :(
It is a hybrid of 2 plants, an un named hybrid parent "# 13" and Aeonium velour. The parentage is somewhere along the lines of
A. [arboreum f. variegata x (zwartkop x tabuliforme)] x (zwartkop x canariense).
Interesting ( the patent thing) . How does that works ? If the plant itself should make an offset or a leave fall off and root, would it be illegal to keep the new plant(s) without permission?
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I suppose different people interpret it differently. Many people propagate them for their own use (technically illegal), but the argument is that the authorities would only care about people propagating them on a large scale (illegally) for sale purposes. If the plant would propagate itself, I suppose that wouldn't be illegal. I doubt the plant authorities have time to spy on what propagation people are doing in their backyards, but that is no reason to knowingly break the law... The general idea is that if you want another of the patented plant, the creators of patented plants want you to go back and buy a second one. That would allow them to make more money off plant sales, and stop others from making money off "their" plants. This only applies to asexual propagation (cloning).

However, if you were to sow seeds from the plant, I believe this is not covered under patent. The offspring would be genetically different from the parent (patented) plant. Patented plants can be used as a parent in hybridization, but it would depend on the patent type. There are both utility patents and plant patents. You might run into some problems selling a hybrid involving a patented parent, perhaps it would be best not to disclose that parent.
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Aeonium Mardi Gras being illegal to propagate definitely belongs on the "humans of late capitalism" instagram page.
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Thank you Aeonium2003 :)

I can understand why the creator of a ‘new’ plant doesn’t want you to start making new plants for sale but with or without intention making a few for yourself? That’s strict.

That got me wondering how common or uncommon patented plants are? I am not thinking of plants for consumption as corn for instance but purely decorational ( is that a word btw?) use?
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Apparently "decorational" is a recent California slang coinage, a combination of "decorative" and "ornamental". Knowing how these things work, we're probably stuck with it.






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Spence :mrgreen:
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A while back I tried out some of these "Japanese style pots". They cost around the same price as standard nursery pots of the same volume while perhaps more aesthetically pleasing (to some).
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Another type...?
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This Sempervivum 'Rubin' looks like it's bolting... 8-[
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greenknight wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:01 pm Apparently "decorational" is a recent California slang coinage, a combination of "decorative" and "ornamental". Knowing how these things work, we're probably stuck with it.






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Thank you Greenknight 😊 I wonder were I have picked up that word, never been in California or on the continent for that matter :D
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Definitely bolting!
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Every year, I end up with a few thousand (or million?) Aeonium and other crassulaceae seeds... In the fall, I dump it on some soil, and end up with hundreds of tiny seedlings...
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Very nice pics! 👍
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