Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

If you have a cactus plant and need help identifying it, this is the place to post it.
Post Reply
thanhnle
Posts: 3
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:16 pm
Location: Maine, USA

Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by thanhnle »

Dear members,

Thank you for allowing me to part of this forum.

Could you help me identify this plant. It belongs to a friend in Australia who does not remember where her cutting came from years ago. Not only the flowers are beautiful but the fruit are edible. I hope to know what it is so that I could search for my collection.

Many thanks and best wishes.

Thanh
LH1.JPG
LH1.JPG (67.08 KiB) Viewed 2163 times
LH2.JPG
LH2.JPG (71.38 KiB) Viewed 2163 times
User avatar
K.W.
Posts: 3824
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:30 pm
Location: Köln, Germany - Zone 8a

Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by K.W. »

Good evening Thanh,

welcome to the CactiGuide forum!

When I look at the fruits, I am very sure - it is a Epiphyllum.
But what kind I can not say. . .


Best wishes

K.W.
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
User avatar
vlani
Posts: 2185
Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:40 pm
Location: Mountain View CA

Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by vlani »

Looks like Epiphyllum, but also looks like a hybrid - meaning who knows what is in the mix. It may have some of Hylocereus in it as well.
User avatar
greenknight
Posts: 4818
Joined: Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:18 am
Location: SW Washington State zone 8b

Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by greenknight »

There are more than ten thousand Epiphylum hybrids, trying to figure out which one you have can be extremely difficult. That's a fantastic plant, really impressive display of flowers.
Spence :mrgreen:
DaveW
Posts: 7383
Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:36 pm
Location: Nottingham, England/UK

Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by DaveW »

May even be a Disophyllum, a cross between a Disocactus and supposedly an Epiphyllum.

http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_q ... +0506+1132" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hardly any of the so called "Epiphyllum hybrids" contain any Epiphyllum blood in them, but are originally crosses between Disocactus and Heliocereus. I suppose they get the Epiphyllum part from the fact that Disocacti were once called Epiphyllum's.

http://www.cristoalmeria.com/epifitos20 ... /index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Any "Epiphyllum" with angled rather than flat stems is usually a hybrid with Heliocereus:-

http://www.cristoalmeria.com/epifitos20 ... /index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The true Epiphyllums have white usually nocturnal flowers with mostly long tubes and were seldom used for crosses as they are usually less robust than Disocactus or Heliocereus so more difficult to grow.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... rofile.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
thanhnle
Posts: 3
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:16 pm
Location: Maine, USA

Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by thanhnle »

Thank you all so much for your comments. This will help me widen my search. I also learn something new, a whole class of Disophyllum.

Best wishes,

Thanh
User avatar
Carl_B
Posts: 67
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:17 pm
Location: Isle of Wight, UK

Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by Carl_B »

Hello thanhnle,

GreenKnight is quite correct with the impossible task of identifying an unnamed hybrid, however your friend has a distinct advantage being in Australia as this will severely reduce the possibilities due to the very strict import laws of the country.
User avatar
SnowFella
Posts: 1762
Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:27 am
Location: Sydney, Australia

Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by SnowFella »

That doesn't really help though, as there's growers here downunder actively making these kinds of hybrids from already local stock. I could head out to my local hardware store and pick up several "named" Epi hybrids.
thanhnle
Posts: 3
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:16 pm
Location: Maine, USA

Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by thanhnle »

Thank you for your comments. I have come to realize that Down Under is one place to be if you are obsessed about all sorts of beautiful plants.
DaveW
Posts: 7383
Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:36 pm
Location: Nottingham, England/UK

Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by DaveW »

Unfortunately so called Epiphyllum hybrids are rather like roses. Far too many names for plants that have similar flowers and were not worth naming as something new. Though one has to say at least the rose growers will raise several thousand seedlings before picking out one to name and then destroy all the rest. I often get the impression the Epiphyllum hybridisers want to give a different name to every seedling they raise, whether worthy of one or not.

If you click on the pictures in this "Red Epiphyllum" link you will find often two flowers that look little different but have received different names, plus many are not that different from the old "ackermannii hybrid":-

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=red+e ... DMs#imgrc=_" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder how many raisers of hybrid Epiphyllum's follow these recommendations. Many Epiphyllum namers do not realise that just as with species there is an International Code for naming cultivated plants, unfortunately the incorrectly named ones do not get reduced to synonymy like species:-

http://www.hortax.org.uk/rules-of-naming.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.epiphyllums.org/Guidelines" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.ishs.org/sci/icraname.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder just how many so called Epiphyllum hybrids on sale follow the international rules for cultivars and have been correctly published, let alone registered? I doubt many professional nurserymen realise there is an International Code for cultivated plants, let alone amateurs producing their own hybrids and naming them.
User avatar
Carl_B
Posts: 67
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:17 pm
Location: Isle of Wight, UK

Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by Carl_B »

DaveW wrote: I wonder just how many so called Epiphyllum hybrids on sale follow the international rules for cultivars and have been correctly published, let alone registered? I doubt many professional nurserymen realise there is an International Code for cultivated plants, let alone amateurs producing their own hybrids and naming them.
Well over 12,000 actually Dave the Epiphyllum Society of America is the official registration authority and they publish a registry of hybrids. there are some nurseryman who will name everything that they hybridise, their is a very prominent one in the Netherlands who is the sole reason for the society now charging to register
DaveW
Posts: 7383
Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:36 pm
Location: Nottingham, England/UK

Re: Hylocereus, epiphyllum or something else?

Post by DaveW »

How many of the 12,000 are really that different Carl, not to mention the unregistered ones? The same applies to roses, new ones being described every year of which about 40% sink into obscurity within a few years.

Mind you the same applies to botanical species which go in fads with many collectors. When first described nurserymen grow and propagate them but drop them from their catalogues if something newer more in demand and saleable is discovered, only a few old favourite and desirable species still being listed.

It is clamed there are around 2000 botanical species of cactus if you are a "lumper" and possibly up to 6000 if you are an "ultra-splitter", so 12,000 worthwhile or distinct Epiphyllum hybrids is way over the top for believability.
Post Reply