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Aztekium valdezii

Postby DaveW » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:10 pm

This was just posted on the BCSS Forum:-

http://www.bcss.org.uk/foruma/viewtopic ... 1&t=159687
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Re: Aztekium valdesii

Postby Astro » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:18 pm

The missing link between ritteri and hintonii? Maybe it should have been named Aztekium luciae? :P
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Re: Aztekium valdesii

Postby Aiko » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:10 pm

DaveW wrote:This was just posted on the BCSS Forum:-

http://www.bcss.org.uk/foruma/viewtopic ... 1&t=159687


Quickly, change the name in the title to Aztekium valdezii, Dave!
Otherwise, before you know it this plant will have too many synonyms going round, like so many other plants...

I think this is quite a pretty plant. Reminds me more of Crassula "Buddha's Temple" than one of the two other Aztekiums, though...
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Re: Aztekium valdesii

Postby gemhunter178 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:38 pm

Oh my! Where can I get one? It looks amazing! :D
Aiko wrote:Reminds me more of Crassula "Buddha's Temple" than one of the two other Aztekiums, though...

Same thought when I first saw it...except of course, a 5-sided one.
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Re: Aztekium valdesii

Postby Robb » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:43 am

wow that's certainly AMAZING news. I might just have to start growing Aztekiums now! :P
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Re: Aztekium valdezii

Postby DaveW » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:59 am

Changed to valdezii Aiko! I missed that! Need new computer glasses, plus a keyboard where the letters have not worn off!

I usually rely on the spellchecker to pick up typo's, but of course it does not work with words it does not know. :lol:
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Re: Aztekium valdezii

Postby majcka » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:37 am

DaveW wrote:Changed to valdezii Aiko! I missed that! Need new computer glasses, plus a keyboard where the letters have not worn off!

I usually rely on the spellchecker to pick up typo's, but of course it does not work with words it does not know. :lol:


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Re: Aztekium valdezii

Postby DaveW » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:28 pm

Your OK sending a letter to America Maja since they spell English wrong anyway, they miss the "u" out of colour and an "i" out of aluminium! :D

http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/aluminium.htm :lol:

But then we only invented the language! :lol: As they say "two nations divided by a common language"!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ ... ifferences
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Re: Aztekium valdezii

Postby Saxicola » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:08 pm

DaveW wrote:Your OK sending a letter to America Maja since they spell English wrong anyway, they miss the "u" out of colour and an "i" out of aluminium! :D

http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/aluminium.htm :lol:

But then we only invented the language! :lol: As they say "two nations divided by a common language"!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ ... ifferences


Not only do the Brits enjoy adding unnecessary extra letters to their words, they don't know what to call anything either. Ask for chips and you'll get french fries. They think a holiday is something you go on instead of a day on the calendar. And don't even get me started on "flat", "boot", or "lorry"! :lol:

Honestly one of my favorite differences is one most people don't know about. In America we use the word "gotten" fairly regularly. This is an old English word that was still in regular use back in the colonial days, but today has virtually disappeared from the UK but was retained in the USA. A friend of mine in Scotland thought it was interesting when I used that word when I was over there. He is very interested in languages and linguistics so it was almost quaint to him to hear that term in use.
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Re: Aztekium valdezii

Postby majcka » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:19 pm

O my goodnes. I started an American vs. English laguage war. ](*,) Snowfella! you live down under (even not a natural Ausy) Do you have anything to add???? :lol:
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Re: Aztekium valdezii

Postby DaveW » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:45 am

To quote from the following link:-

"The blame for the ornery orthography of American English (which is even more annoying to its users than to those who speak other variants of the language, because we actually have to, you know, use it) is primary laid at the oft-pedestal-mounted feet of Noah Webster, a nineteenth-century writer, editor, and lexicographer who almost single-handedly created the dialect I will hereafter in this post abbreviate as AE (as opposed to BE, or British English). Webster’s impetus was nationalistic — he desired a distinct language for Americans that they could feel they owned, and one that represented democratic ideals as well.

The problem is, for all his meticulousness, he was maddeningly inconsistent, and the myriad successors who have added to the American word-hoard have followed suit."


http://www.dailywritingtips.com/how-spe ... h-english/

The situation all arose from when people just spelt words phonetically, therefore you could have many variations in spelling (very, verie etc and all were correct). The problem then was a few self appointed academics thought it should be they who determined how words should be spelt by producing a dictionary, but obviously others academics not wanting them to get the kudos for determining spelling produced their own dictionaries which disagreed because they thought their method was best.

http://www.ucalgary.ca/uofc/eduweb/engl ... onunc1.htm

http://mentalfloss.com/article/13076/11 ... ey-got-way

There is still a lot of confusion with words written the old way. For instance "Ye Olde Tea Shoppe" would never have been said as most do now, but would have been "The Old Tea Shop" since it was not originally a "Y" in front but the Anglo Saxon letter Thorn which was replaced in printing by a "Y", but represented the "TH" sound. Another miswrite is "Goal" for prison which evidently came about because an illiterate stone carver got the "O" and "A" wrong way round over a British prison entrance, since it should have read "Gaol" pronounced with a soft "G" as Jaol or in modern spelling Jail.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/31904/12 ... e-alphabet

No doubt English will continue to disallowed - see forum rules both sides of the Atlantic, since already "text speak" is replacing conventional spelling with many youngsters. So come back in a couple of hundred year and present spelling will probably have changed "U No". :D

A lot of Scottish words by the way are more akin to German.
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Re: Aztekium valdezii

Postby peterb » Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:10 pm

I find the lamentations on the linked forum to be amusing, regarding how the new species was pictured first on Facebook. It's a brave new digital world, no time for lamentation. :-)

Beautiful new plant, thanks for the heads up. There have been some really interesting new finds in the past few years.

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Re: Aztekium valdezii

Postby DaveW » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:11 am

However as they point out it cannot be validly published on Forums or Facebook. I suppose many don't like names being used before they are validly published since there is no guarantee it would be eventually published under that specific name, therefore adds to confusion.
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Re: Aztekium valdezii

Postby peterb » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:08 pm

It's still irrelevant. The whole concept of valid publication has itself changed somewhat drastically very recently and will continue to do so. I think peoples' concerns are better directed at the actual botanizing and research, rather than the technicalities of publication. Quite often, those technicalities can be easily remedied. I recently saw some peer comments on a brilliant paper very carefully delineating a new taxa and providing minutely detailed reasons for its validity and the peer comments (coincidentally out of the UK) were niggling, narrow minded, provincial, territorial and obviously based on nothing more than ego and reputation. The reviewer was going above and beyond to pick nits and had absolutely nothing of value to contribute to the actual science of the article. I do understand the value of rules for valid publication as well as a healthy review process, but it seems there is a rather resentful old guard still clutching to some shred of a lot of rather thoroughly discredited work and these same individuals tend to put up some utterly unnecessary hurdles for a lot of truly brilliant field work, multivariate analysis and new insights. Lamenting that a name appears on Facebook before it is validly published is silly by comparison.

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Re: Aztekium valdezii

Postby Peterthecactusguy » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:47 pm

actually Dave, if you can get a word spelled right you can add it to a dictionary. So for instance, I got tired of having my spell checker trip when every I typed in common names like Opuntia and engelmannii so what you do is right click on the name and click add to dictionary.. (as long as it is spelled right).. and then the spell check will skip them, but if I spell engelmanni wrong, like this it is picked up. however, sadly it doesn't give me the proper spelling it still says Englishmen. lol
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