I have posted several times on my seed results. Last year after no results I planted my own seeds, Echinocactus grusonii, and got great results. Many of you stated possible bad seeds. I kept trying throughout the winter in a grow tank with fair results. In the middle of May I read a post by Apfire which reminded me of last year's trials. Apfire's process was almost the same as what I did with the difference of keeping about 1/4 of an inch of water in the bottom of the flat and kept the seeds covered. So I took my seeds and used my own soil mix but kept the seeds covered. Soil mix is one part perlite, one part course sand and two parts potting soil. All seed flats are in the greenhouse and today the temp outside is 103 and 118 degrees inside. If these trials continue to get great results, I'll just wait, collect seeds, and then start my seeds in May. Why fight it?