Sick Crassula

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It's terrible here, gypsies all over the place and muslims are coming soon too.
IHaveNoIdea wrote:Well at least we discuss something. Not many posts here these days.
You are a racist, or better said and correct a fachist. There is no place in the world for individuals like you! Ugh !!!

Your name should probably,
Ihavenobrain


Hope never to hear from you!
Here we are talking about plants, not about sick people.

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The crasula is gone and it got off topic it happens, but i guess that would be my fault for saying i would have loved to live in the 50's i apologize. But sometimes people start the conversion saying one thing then end saying another.
I honestly didn't think it would go this route but, that's life.

All i gatta say is that there are people like your gypsies and our thugs and gangsters and whatever they go by ALL over the world you can help them or you can ignore them or you can be bothered by them. Their are people starving in the world, people dying, wars going on, diseases and disabilities everywhere, sadness, heart break and revenge ALL over the world, there is no place better then anywhere else and there are no type of people better then anyone else, some may be stronger, smarter, richer and be miserable and others may be poor, dumb and weak and be the happiest doesn't make them less important or more important.
I seem to always get the crap end of the stick and others get the lollipop but i try not to be bitter about it cause i kno there are people like some of the children i teach who live in poverty would kill to have either!

I kno how you feel 'ihavenoidea' but you can't let your feelings towards certain people get in your way, cause their is always gonna be those feelings inn the world, i don't condone them but i can understand WHY you feel the way you do. Like i said i watch some of the black people from my old neighbourhood drive fancy cars while i and they kids i teach can't even eat sometimes. But u can't let that best u down and say "darn those people" u gatta remember that life isn't always fair, look at stone of our veterans for an example fought for our country just to live at a shelter or die waiting for health care! - you just gatta keep YOUR eye om the prize and just know that even Thoe it doesn't feel okay or even right at times that its all part of a bigger plan that will someday show YOU that even the people you despise the most don't get what they want either.
I don't like what is going on in this world today nor does it make me happy to see the what the future may become because of it, but if we all could just keep our oen eyes on our own prize while still being civil and helping each other instead of hating then maybe just maybe I'll want to see what becomes of US in the years to come instead of hoping God or whom ever is up their presses the big Reset button and realizes that he let that get a little outta control for a while.

As long as we don't end up the movie "idiocracy" i think maybe life won't be to bad lol!
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K.W.: German calls me a fachist :lol: Have you forgotten Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren? We haven't.
Great that you have "Je suis Charlie" in your post". I hope some terrorist forget knocks on your door soon. Because of people like you, it will be really soon.
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IHaveNoIdea wrote:K.W.: German calls me a fachist :lol: Have you forgotten Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren?
At least the Germans have showed publicly they know perfectly well what the period of the 1910s to the 1940s have caused in Europe, and they showed they have a major responsibility in this. For instance look up how many Germany movies are made on World War II and how the nazis (and involuntary enlisted soldiers) are portrayed in them, or how openly they touch the subject in politics. The Germans were not very much liked in the Netherlands up until the nineties, but since have seen their reputation grew a lot because of their attitude against their part in history.

So no need to talk the Germans down because of their history. The have shown they have grown above it and are open about it and tolerant about World War II jokes. Maybe it is time for you to do the same... And no need to talk down to muslims or gypsies in one of your earlier posts. Eastern European countries do have a very bad reputation when it comes to tolerance and racisme. And you show perfectly well why this is the case...

(I propose for a moderator to remove this thread, or to cut the last one and a half page away from it)
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Aiko wrote:(I propose for a moderator to remove this thread, or to cut the last one and a half page away from it)
Yeah, I agree.
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Eastern European countries do have a very bad reputation when it comes to tolerance and racisme. And you show perfectly well why this is the case...
I will send some to your home, we will see how tolerant you are. By the way I don't live in Eastern Europe. :roll:

I refuse to continue in this discussion. Just remember what I said. One day you will understand.
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IHaveNoIdea wrote:By the way I don't live in Eastern Europe. :roll:
Central or Eastern, call it what you want. It is still no excuse to be so blatantly racist.
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You don't have to change your post. You got your opinion, I got mine. Lets wait for a few years to see who was right. :wink: I'm just saying, that with this attitude, all our countries will soon look like Baghdad.
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IHaveNoIdea wrote:You don't have to change your post. You got your opinion, I got mine. Lets wait for a few years to see who was right. :wink: I'm just saying, that with this attitude, all our countries will soon look like Baghdad.
The Netherlands has been taking on refugees and outcasts from all over the world for centuries, as it always has been a very liberal country. We do have many muslims and Jews and gypsies and other ethnic groups up here currently but also had them for centuries. And currently each year the Netherlands is ranked among the top ten best countries to live (your call wether this is despite or thanks to immigration). This also goes for some other top ranked countries like Danmark, Norway, Sweden, Canada, Switzerland, Finland and Germany.

Let's wait a few years for them to come? They have already arrived centuries ago...

How is this supporting your political view?
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Weird that you didn't mention UK (London especially) and France. Look how immigration helped them. And how gypsies helped CR and Slovakia. We have big conflicts with them up in a north for years and some parts of Slovakia look like 3rd world country. About 4 days ago I read how gypsies from Slovakia made a camp on some plaza in UK and how they can't rid of them. So you are saying that you would embrace them as neighbors?
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Not so weird. I can't mention all the countries with immigrants in a top ten list. And the UK and France are just not in it for whatever reason.

I am not embracing any group of people to come in. But I am also not excluding an entire group. Up until now excluding / expelling an entire group of people instead of trouble causing individuals, have not proved to be a success anywhere in the world in written history. Please show me where I am wrong from an example in history.
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Ok, I'd like to propose that we all step back a little.

I was deeply offended personally, by some of the comments made in a few of these post recently but today I watched as millions of people of all nationalities, races and religions marched to defend the rights of free speech and freedom of thought - however offensive. There are more than enough places on the Internet where we can argue about politics and say all the stupid things we want.

But please not here. I think even the Angels among us have opinions and stereotypes about other groups of people who are different than us but in the end we are all sharing the same increasingly small planet.

I don't think that when this thread started that anyone meant for the conversation to turn out this way. It took a wrong turn somewhere along the line. I think its fine to go off topic and talk about many different things besides our plants but please let's keep it positive and friendly. We are not here to talk badly of others. Remember that others are reading what you have to say and who you are as a person.

I am a little lazy and do not always contribute much to this forum but I do enjoy that there are people from all around the world who are on here and enjoying each other and learning about our hobby and each other's countries.

I've never been to the Czech Republic but in my mind I think of a beautiful little land in Central Europe with names like Bohemia and Moravia with a rich history and proud traditions. It has beautiful cities and castles, rich farmlands, good beer and productive craftsmen . Not to mention a treasure house of excellent gardeners and plant specialist. Please tell us bout these things and about yourself as well.

Best wishes to you, you are young and I hope you have many years of growing and enjoying your plants.
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Thank you Harry for polite post. I did not want to offend anyone (unlike someone), but you must understand, that none of you haven't been in everyday contact with these people.
I can tell you fairytales how beautiful country CR is, but I don't think it would be true. There are some really nice places, but with the fall of communism many things changed. I'm not saying, that communism was better, but people at least cared about their country and their property. My city was one of the most beautiful cities in this part of country. Now it is a one of the most dangerous places to live in (in CR). I don't know a word for it, but they just take many gypsies from different cities who don't want to pay rent and let them live on one place. You see, there is a block of appartments owned by some guy, who doesn't care. It is basically artificially created ghetto. And this guy let these scumbags live there, because goverment will pay for their rents and when stops, he kicks them out. Since this started to happen, criminality in town increased by 300%. They steel absolutely everything metal. Sewer hatches, eaves, everything metal you have on your garden. Their kids begg money from germans, in the night they rob people on the street. In school they beat the shoot out of your kids just for fun. The thing is, that they are getting enough money from goverment, but few days after payout, they go and do slots. Why shouldn't they, government will give them more! If a white person asked for more money, they would tell him to forget off. And these are no stereotypes, there is about 5% of them, who don't behave like this.

What a magnificent neighbor to have. I'm sure you all are no racists and you would enjoy living with them in the same place. :) But don't you dare saying anything bad about these kind people you darn faschists :lol:

Yeah, we still got good beer and some old traditions. Many people think that this one is the funniest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic8DF260y9Y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We had rich farmlands and productive craftsmen before fall of communism. Now we mostly just import all kinds of poor quality food from Poland and poor quality things from China. What a progress. Oh and now will some other idiot appear and call me communist.
Czechs are basically just waiting for Saint Wenceslas to save them. You still can see some beautiful places in CR, but you won't see many in Bohemia, maybe in Moravia. I'm pretty surprised that you even know these terms like "Bohemia and Moravia". It isn't that long ago, when USA wanted to carpet bomb us, because they thought we were behind the terrorist attack in Boston.
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Wow literally that got waaaay off topic, ihavenoidea i understand your frustration with the gypsies my bf used to tell me his grandmother used to hire them for work and they would steal all her chickens ad goats and cattle and hang her dog's from the clothes line...etc..etc..
I kno you heard story's and enjoyed things and places and the era long ago or before communism ended. But i think its safe to say that nothing lasts forever, sometimes for the best, sometimes for the worst.- this is just life. Its not airways the people's intrests that get chosen over what happens when politics are in play. Theirs ghettos in ever country, even in the glorious "USA" . Their are people who will abuse power and what's given to them from the state when ever they can get a chance to, and most people look they other way. I kno plenty of places where i grew up that were beautiful when i was younger and as times went on it is now become the ghetto for the poor and the state Paid housing community's, we once had a very beautiful and serine heritage of polish and Italian people who lived in that same area and now it looks like a desecrated city somewhere I've never been. Theirs trash, drug dealers, smashed and destroyed houses, stray animals, hungry children, drug addicts and homeless that run the streets. God forbid you're a woman walking home late at night you could be robbed,raped or killed and no matter how loud you scream no one will care what is ghappening to you, people mind their own buisness to keep themselves sane. I rememberan xbf of mine Got stabbed 5 times returning to a friend's house to get my sweater on Halloween night, a 6 guys just decided that they wanted to stab and kill someone because they thought it would be fun and they choose him, he survived...barely. they kids never got caught - one man died when he tried to help get the kids off of him when he saw what was going on outside his house. They were in a gang, and they didn't care about his life or anyone else's, it's very sad. I teach kids down their the joys of growing plant's and gardening and it keeps them off the streets to become people that would do things like that. The gypsies in your city are just like those people. They get every opportunity from the state to live comfortably but choose to spend their lives doing things that cause harm, some cause they want to, others cause that's ALL they really know how to do. Most of the children i teach don't kno or see anything else from the people around them in there community then the people who do the horrible things they do, and in a weird way these kids look up to them because their is no one else to look up to as a roll model, not even their own parents and siblings. They see the drug dealers and the robbers and gangsters with there expensive cars and think "that's what i want to be when i grow up, so i can have those things" and thenthey become another Stereotypical" gangster, hoodlum" from the ghetto.
The gypsies in your community steal and beg and do the things they do because that's all they are used to seeing, and when they see something they want they will steal it so they can have it instead of working to buy it, because to them it seems like the natural thing to do.
I would like to say they don't know any better, but they do, sadly they just don't think the consequences are that bad and its worth the risk.
The world is becoming a CRAZY place, i don't agree with everything that's going on. But I'm not gonna kick rocks at it especially if it's something i can't change alone. Racism is everywhere and discrimination, im called a cracker or wh*re or freak everyday i don't like it but people will always have their opinions of who and what people are and have no remorse for the person's feelings. This is because nowadayswslander and slurs are becoming more and more acceptable to use and most people take back the meaning so that it's no longer an offensive word. I have children in my growing program that cell either the N-word every other sentence with no complaints, but if i ever called one of them that i would be a racist. I was brought up white pride - white pride isn't about hating other races its about loving your own, yet most people don't kno the difference between being proud of my race and heritage and being a racist.
Most of the black people in my neighborhood blame white people for things and like to bring up slavery but many of them have never even had a member of their family ever been in slavery and some of us have never even had a member own a slave yet we still get that thrown in our faces. How we can be blamed for something that's happened hundreds of years ago that we had no control of makes no sence to me, i didn't personally start or stop slavery so i hate when ib get that thrown in my face, but they have no idea what it was like to be Irish a long time ago and how they wouldn't even give us jobs and if they did they would give us jobs that they would never give an African American inn fear that it was crule and unreasonable. They don't teach children in school about the Armenian genocide yet they will teach about world war 2 and the genocide of Jews and forget to mention that the concentration camps were originally made for polish prisoner's nor do the mention that more Russians and polish we killed then many Jews, but history books tell one sided stories but most of us were never there toeven see what went on, and the ones who were are just grateful that they are alive and lived to see such a thing and learn from the mistakes that our world has gone thru over the years.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion towards whatever they want to talk about but i don't think we should be calling either derogatory names when expressing those opinions. There is a time and a place for everything and this isn't the place to do that. We all come from all over the world and are gathered HERE because of our love in plants and growing and just want to share our love of these things and lend a hand to those who need it, it doesnt and shouldn't matter who is sitting on they other side of the computer or where they are just that they are hear to share this common intrest and their own knowledge.
We can't forget what's going on in the world around us or what happened in the package, but we can all try and make it a better place if we just live with each other in harmony and find positive ways to overcome the problems we are all individually dealing with in our own country's. I'm not saying it's not important I'm just saying we should spend time on the things that we enjoy and that make us happy instea. Of letting it seep into our sanctuary that is Cactguide.com - we all live in a place where things aren't always the best every minute of everyday, but when i come on this site, this is my escape from the world around ME. And i really don't want to hear about people getting bullied or upset with each other for misunderstandings and their own opinions. We need to just agree to disagree and go on to what makes us happy and leave the rest behind. I'm sorry if i personally offended anyone it wasn't intended to do so, but sometimes we all have our own opinions or some of us aren't very good at explaining them and they don't come out as intended.

Lets all enjoy our plant, life's to short to be in hell 24/7. :)
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And i agree harryupnorth , Thoe one person's idea of paradise can be another person's actual life of prison
It'ssad but theirs not much we can do but just be sympathetic and understanding towards the people who live there and express their opinions about it, reguardless if we agree or disagree. :)
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